the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication

• the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication
• a human fabrication lacks the power to establish a lasting order-Vedas
• we do not find any mention of stone worship in the Vedas
• Vedic teaching is full of the mention of the worship of fire` air` water` the moon` the sun` and so on
• What justification can there be for the Holy Qur’an to be made the target of such brutal attacks?

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

However, in accordance with what we are taught by God, we believe that the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication. A human fabrication lacks the power to establish a lasting order.

Although we do not find any mention of stone worship in the Vedas, without a doubt, Vedic teaching is full of the mention of the worship of fire, air, water, the moon, the sun, and so on. There is no verse which prohibits the worship of these objects. Who is to say that the older sects of Hindus are false and only the new sect of Aryas is the true one? People who, by referring to the Vedas, worship these objects, are armed with the powerful argument that there is clear mention of such worship and nowhere is there any prohibition.

To say that these are the names of God, is a claim which has not as yet been clearly settled. Had it been settled, what reason could there have been for the scholarly pundits in Banares and other cities to have rejected the beliefs of the Aryas? Despite efforts over the past thirty to thirty-five years, very few Hindus have accepted the Arya faith and in comparison with the Sanatan faith and other Hindu sects, the followers of the Arya faith number so few that they are insignificant, nor do they have any influence on the remaining Hindu sects. Similarly, the teachings of nyog, which is attributed to the Vedas, is abhorrent to human dignity and the human sense of honour. As I have already stated, we cannot accept that it is a genuine Vedic teaching. In fact, our well-meaning intentions make us strongly inclined to believe that such teachings must have been introduced later from sensual motives.

Since thousands of years have passed since the original compilation of Vedas it is possible that in different times some scribes added to or subtracted from it. For us it is proof enough that the Arya faith has had millions upon millions of followers for thousands of years who have held it to be the word of God. It is not possible that the work of an imposter could enjoy such honour.

So when we, despite all these obstacles, purely out of fear of God, accept the Vedas to be divine revelation in its origin and assume all the false teachings to be the work of scribes, what justification can there be for the Holy Qur’an to be made the target of such brutal attacks? It is full of injunctions from cover to cover speaking only of the worship of one God. Nowhere does it require man to worship the sun, the moon etc. In fact there are clear statements to the contrary.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Message-of-Peace.pdf

Paarsurrey says:

Everybody is welcome to comment on the above passage peacefully and with rational arguments from one’s own revealed book; even those who differ with me are also welcome here.

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Second Coming or advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 had stregthened all the revealed religons of the world; He is Divine-Guided

• No need to have a blind faith when you can add beauty to your faith with eyes of research


• An invitation for research for truth: “Bring forth your arguments if you are truthful”

• Please build your faith on solid, reasonable,logical and research based arguments; blind faith is no faith

• nobody among Christians, Hindus and Jews is endowed from GodAllahYHWH, the power to exceed Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in truthful arguments, reasons, logic and rationality


Paarsurrey says:

I have been posting here for quite sometimes now. I have never made personal comments against anybody. I respect everybody and everybody’s religion. I sincerely believe and I am convinced with solid reasons that the Divine Guide or Second Coming of Christ has taken place in the metaphoric advent of Promised Messiah 1835-1908.

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 writes with the help of Holy Spirit/Angels and GodAllahYHWH has endowed him with wisdom and have spoken with him many a times. This wisdom is reflected in his writings, of which some you must have tasted through my posts.

Every Christian, Hindu and Jew is welcome to comment writings of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 peacefully; and such comments will be displayed on my blog; and be a source of comparative study of religions by the searching souls for truth.

I am sure that nobody among Christians, Hindus and Jews is endowed from GodAllahYHWH, the power to exceed Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in truthful arguments, reasons, logic and rationality.

If they try; they will be ashamed of their blind faiths haded over to them by their peers through ages. They would realize that though their faiths were truthful in their origin – when revealed by God; yet their truth content has been diluted with time.

There is no harm if one tries to.

The comments will be free for everybody to see and the common conscience of humanity will be free to see through them and decide after due research as to where the truth lies. Everybody will be free to accept the truth wherever and wherefrom it comes; no compulsion whatsoever.

While commenting or presenting your view-point, please offer both your claim and jist of your arguments from your Revealed Book so that one knows that your book supports you .

Peaceful comments are welcome here; even of those who differ with me.

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Christ’s Disciples never gave any first hand testimony for Jesus’ cursed death on Cross; Paul’s faith is proven in vain

• Sentimental obsessions cannot prove Jesus’ Resurrection; it only reflects that a drowning Christianity is catching at straws

• Christians have neither historic testimony of Jesus’ death on Cross nor for his resurrection from the dead

• Christ’s Disciples never gave any first hand testimony for Jesus’ cursed death on Cross; Paul’s faith is proven in vain

Paarsurrey says:

I give hereunder verbatim what has been mentioned about Jesus’ death on Cross and his resurrection from the dead without adding any comments from me. It needs no comments as it is only a sentimental reflection of our Christians friends; and which has nothing to do with anything historic about Jesus or secular historic evidence about his resurrection. This only proves that they are short of any logical arguments that could satisfy a present day man, in my opinion. At the most it is an attempt to put dust in the eyes of a person in search of truth with mere a drama. I leave it to the readers.

AllAboutJesusChrist.org says:
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/Jesus-Resurrection.htm Jesus Christ Jesus’ Resurrection

Quote : “Jesus’ Resurrection - The Disciples’ Testimony

The men who believed in Jesus’ Resurrection from the dead, known today as Christ’s Disciples, certainly had their testimony, as well as their convictions, tested by those who disbelieved. With the exception of John, every one of these men were put to death. These deaths were excruciating and merciless. More so were their lives, as these men were persecuted by the secular world and suffered great hardship for the spreading of their beloved Gospel, which they proclaimed. Paul gives account in his second letter to the Corinthians “Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.” (II Corinthians 11:24-27). Paul was later beheaded after suffering in a Roman dungeon for many years. His death was far less brutal then those of his brethren as he was a Roman citizen and often they were not. These men believed the Lord allowed them to suffer greatly, as there is no better evidence of their sincerity and the truth of their message than their endurance and perseverance without any hope of an earthly reward. Every single one of them could have escaped such torture and humiliation by simply denouncing the Resurrection of Christ. This was the goal of their tormentors. However, not one ceded to their persecutors, and this is dramatic evidence in rebuttal of any conspiracy theory.
Read Jesus’ Resurrection Page 2 Now! ” Unquote

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What we are taught by God; we Ahmadi Muslims believe that the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication

• We believe the Vedas to be divine in origin and we consider their saints to be venerable and holy

• Vedic teaching has not succeeded, nor could it ever succeed, in turning any section of its followers into true worshippers of God

• What we are taught by God; we Ahmadi Muslims believe that the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication

• Vedas are so vague that they permit all sects to deduce from them whatsoever they wish

• without a doubt, Vedic teaching is full of the mention of the worship of fire, air, water, the moon, the sun, and so on



Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

As for us (the Muslims), we never use indecent language with regard to the Prophets of other peoples. In fact, we believe that for all the Prophets who have come to different peoples of the world and have been accepted by millions of people in all parts of the world, and love for them and their greatness has been firmly established in any one part of the world, and further that this state of devotion and love for them has endured the test of time, is evidence enough of their truthfulness.

Had they not been from God, they could not have been accepted on such a wide scale by millions upon millions of hearts. God does not bestow such honour upon those whom He favours not. If an imposter aspires to occupy their position, he is soon brought to ruin.

By virtue of the same logic, we believe the Vedas to be divine in origin and we consider their saints to be venerable and holy. We do so despite our observation that Vedic teaching has not succeeded, nor could it ever succeed, in turning any section of its followers into true worshippers of God. The people in this country who worship idols, fire, the sun, the Ganges, or thousands of deities, or who are adherents of Jainism or the Shakat faith, all claim their religion to originate from the Vedas. The Vedas are so vague that they permit all sects to deduce from them whatsoever they wish.

However, in accordance with what we are taught by God, we believe that the original Vedas were not man’s fabrication. A human fabrication lacks the power to establish a lasting order.

Although we do not find any mention of stone worship in the Vedas, without a doubt, Vedic teaching is full of the mention of the worship of fire, air, water, the moon, the sun, and so on. There is no verse which prohibits the worship of these objects. Who is to say that the older sects of Hindus are false and only the new sect of Aryas is the true one? People who, by referring to the Vedas, worship these objects, are armed with the powerful argument that there is clear mention of such worship and nowhere is there any prohibition.

To say that these are the names of God, is a claim which has not as yet been clearly settled. Had it been settled, what reason could there have been for the scholarly pundits in Banares and other cities to have rejected the beliefs of the Aryas?

Despite efforts over the past thirty to thirty-five years, very few Hindus have accepted the Arya faith and in comparison with the Sanatan faith and other Hindu sects, the followers of the Arya faith number so few that they are insignificant, nor do they have any influence on the remaining Hindu sects.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Message-of-Peace.pdf
pages 23-24

Paarsurrey says:

I have been posting in these blogs for quite sometimes now. I have never made personal comments against anybody. I respect everybody and everybody’s religion. I sincerely believe and I am convinced with solid reasons that the Divine Guide or Second Coming of Christ has taken place in the metaphoric advent of Promised Messiah 1835-1908.

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 writes with the help of Holy Spirit/Angels and GodAllahYHWH has endowed him with wisdom and have spoken with him many a times. This wisdom is reflected in his writings, of which some you must have tasted through my posts.

Every Christian, Hindu and Jew is welcome to comment on writings of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 peacefully; and such comments will be displayed on my blog; and be a source of comparative study of religions by the searching souls for truth.

I am sure that nobody among Christians, Hindus and Jews is endowed from GodAllahYHWH, the power to exceed Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in truthful arguments, reasons, logic and rationality.

If they try; they will be ashamed of their blind faiths haded over to them by their peers through ages. They would realize that though their faiths were truthful in their origin – when revealed by God; yet their truth content has been diluted with time.

There is no harm if one tries to.

The comments will be free for everybody to see and the common conscience of humanity will be free to see through them and decide after due research as to where the truth lies. Everybody will be free to accept the truth wherever and wherefrom it comes; no compulsion whatsoever.

Peaceful comments are welcome here; even of those who differ with me.

I love Moses, Krishna, Jesus, Maryam and Muhammad.

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Is there in the entire realm of physical laws created by God, a single piece of evidence in favour such biased attitudes?

• To insult and abuse the Prophets and Messengers of different countries and peoples is a deadly poison that only disturbs peace of the world

• On one hand God is conceived to be the Lord of the whole universe while on the other, He is claimed to have withdrawn His hand of providence from a large part of the world

• Is there in the entire realm of physical laws created by God, a single piece of evidence in favour such biased attitudes?

• Physical Laws and Spiritual Law cannot be paradoxical, if created by the same God

• To respect and honour Prophets and Messengers of different countries and peoples is a good tool to establish peace in the world; it must be tried

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

Dear friends! I appeal to you, in the name of God, to consider whether such (narrow) views can really be entertained by human nature. Or if any conscience could find room for them within its bounds! I fail to understand what kind of logic it is that on the one hand God is conceived to be the Lord of the whole universe and, on the other, He is claimed to have withdrawn His hand of providence from a large part of the world, and that His gaze remains fixed on a particular people and one section of a particular country. O those who possess wisdom!

Please decide with justice if, in the entire realm of physical laws created by God, there is a single piece of evidence in favour of this. Why then should His spiritual laws be based on such biased attitudes?

If the faculty of reasoning is employed, the good or evil of anything becomes manifest from the fruit it bears. Needless for me to discuss the consequences of abusing and reviling the holy Prophets of God, who have been seen and accepted by hundreds and millions of people; there is hardly a people who have not themselves witnessed the outcome of the bitter fruit of such practices.

O Dear Ones! Age-old experience and repeated trials have established, without question, that to insult and abuse the Prophets and Messengers of different countries and peoples is such a deadly poison which not only destroys the body but also kills the soul, thereby ruining the worldly prospects as well as the spiritual. A country whose inhabitants are always after finding faults in the leaders of others, and constantly assassinate their characters, can never rest in peace themselves.

Such people can never achieve true unity who, individually or mutually, refer to each other’s Prophets or saints or divines with malice or foul language. Who would not be outraged at the insults hurled at their Prophet or leader? In particular, Muslims are such people who, although they do not believe their Prophet to be God or the son of God, do regard him to be the most revered of all the holy men born of a human mother. To make peace with a sincere Muslim is not possible unless during discussion, their Holy Prophet is mentioned with respect and refined language.

As for us (The Muslims), we never use indecent language with regard to the Prophets of other peoples. In fact, we believe that for all the Prophets who have come to different peoples of the world and have been accepted by millions of people in all parts of the world, and love for them and their greatness has been firmly established in any one part of the world, and further that this state of devotion and love for them has endured the test of time, is evidence enough of their truthfulness.

Had they not been from God, they could not have been accepted on such a wide scale by millions upon millions of hearts. God does not bestow such honour upon those whom He favours not. If an imposter aspires to occupy their position, he is soon brought to ruin.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Message-of-Peace.pdf
pages21-23

paarsurrey says:

I have been posting in these blogs for quite sometimes now. I have never made personal comments against anybody. I respect everybody and everybody’s religion. I sincerely believe and I am convinced with solid reasons that the Divine Guide or Second Coming of Christ has taken place in the metaphoric advent of Promised Messiah 1835-1908.

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 writes with the help of Holy Spirit/Angels and GodAllahYHWH has endowed him with wisdom and have spoken with him many a times. This wisdom is reflected in his writings, of which some you must have tasted through my posts.

Every Christian, Hindu and Jew is welcome to comment on writings of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 peacefully; and such comments will be displayed on my blog; and be a source of comparative study of religions by the searching souls for truth.

I am sure that nobody among Christians, Hindus and Jews is endowed from GodAllahYHWH, the power to exceed Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in truthful arguments, reasons, logic and rationality.

If they try; they will be ashamed of their blind faiths haded over to them by their peers through ages. They would realize that though their faiths were truthful in their origin – when revealed by God; yet their truth content has been diluted with time.

There is no harm if one tries to.

The comments will be free for everybody to see and the common conscience of humanity will be free to see through them and decide after due research as to where the truth lies. Everybody will be free to accept the truth wherever and wherefrom it comes; no compulsion whatsoever.

Peaceful comments are welcome here; even of those who differ with me.

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When time for the breaking of the Cross or explaining the error of the creed of the Cross was to be made plain; that is Second Coming of Jesus

• Why should not the researchers look for blessed footprints of Jesus on the rocky soil of Nepal, Tibet, and Kashmir?

• Worship of the Cross and of the mythical sacrifice of a human being had alienated the hearts of many millions of people from the true God

• It was indeed the work of God to break the creed of the Cross

• When time for the breaking of the Cross or explaining the error of the creed of the Cross was to be made plain; that is Second Coming of Jesus

• Explaining away the mythical Cross with reality; smashes the whole structure of the Cross

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

It is, indeed, unfortunate that (the investigators) when the name and mention of Jesus are contained in the ancient books of Buddhism; these investigators should adopt the awkward course of trying to find traces of Buddha’s faith in Palestine.

Why should they not search for the blessed footprints of Jesus on the rocky soil of Nepal, Tibet, and Kashmir?

I know, however, that these investigators could not be expected to discover the truth, which was hidden under a thousand veils of darkness; it was the work rather of God, who saw from heaven that man-worship, over-stepping all limits, had spread over the world and that the worship of the Cross and of the supposed sacrifice of a human being had alienated the hearts of many millions of people from the true God, Whose Jealousy sent to the world a servant of His in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, to break the creed of the Cross.

In accordance with the old promise he appeared as the Promised Messiah. Then there came the time for the breaking of the Cross, i.e. the time when the error of the creed of the Cross was to be made plain like the breaking in two of a piece of wood. So now is the time when Heaven has opened the way for the breaking of the Cross, so that a seeker after truth may look around and search for the same.

The idea of Jesus ascending into heaven, though it was an error, had nevertheless a significance, namely, that the Messianic Reality had been forgotten and had become obliterated as a corpse is eaten up by the earth of the grave; this Messianic Reality was believed to be in existence in heaven in the corporeal form of a human being.

It was inevitable, therefore, that this Reality should descend to the earth in the latter days. It has descended to the earth in this age in the shape of a living human being; it has broken the Cross; and the evils of falsehood and of worship of untruth, which our Holy Prophet in the Hadith about the Cross, has compared to swine, have been cut to pieces along with the breaking of the Cross, just as a swine is cut with the sword.

This Hadith does not mean that the Promised Messiah would kill the Kafirs and break crosses: rather, the breaking of the Cross means that in that age the God of Heaven and Earth would bring out the hidden Reality which, all of a sudden, would smash the whole structure of the Cross.

The killing of swine does not mean the killing of men nor of swine but the killing of swinish qualities — like persistence in falsehood and insistence upon presenting the same to others, which is like eating dirt. Just as, therefore, a dead swine cannot eat dirt, so, there would come a time — nay, it has come already — when evil natures would be prevented from eating dirt of this kind.

The Muslim Ulema have been misled in interpreting this prophecy. The real meaning of the breaking of the Cross and of the killing of swine is that which I have stated.

Moreover, in the time of the Promised Messiah, religious wars would be brought to an end; and Heaven would so reflect the resplendent Truth as to bring to one’s view the radiant difference between truth and falsehood.

Do not think, therefore, that I have come with a sword. Nay, I have come to put all swords back into their sheaths. The world has been fighting a good deal in the dark. Many a man has attacked his true well-wishers, wounded the hearts of sympathetic friends, and injured his dear ones. But now, darkness is no more. Night is gone and now it is day. Blessed is he who remains deprived no longer!

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html

Paarsurrey says:

Please read the above view-point of the Promised Messiah and accept the truth only if it satisfies your heart and soul, your mind and conscience;absolutely no compulsion.

My Christian friends should feel free to make any peaceful comments; even if they differ with me.

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Jesus neither died of flogging nor of torture on Cross

• Paul’s mythical Cross cracks under Ahmadia arguments

• Christians change their stand ; Jesus died of follogging not by torture on Cross

• Jesus neither died of flogging nor of torture on Cross

• Jesus died honourably and naturally later at some point in the history

ubahleeob says:

While commenting on the post : "Jesus’ short duration on Cross; death on Cross is meant to take days, not hours"

I have received following e-mail from our Christien friend ubahleeob of  http://ubahleeob.wordpress.com/

He (Jesus) had been beaten, relentlessly for hours. The scripture says that he did not even appear human. We know that he was at the point of exhaustion, he was not able to carry his cross -- another had to carry it for him. And yes, crucifixion can take days. However, the Nazi's used this type of torture (suspending people from their arms) and some of these poor souls died in less than an hour. Lastly, he died when his mission had been completed. Remember, Jesus said, "it is complete" and then he released his spirit. They didn't kill him, he died willingly and right on time.

peace

Paarsurrey says:

One can see the exaggerations made in the above passage peculiar with the Christians while narratings the events of Crucifxion. I think it would be difficult for ubahleeob to substantiate his stance from the literal text of the four gosples.

I request him to do it.

Please quote text and essence of your arguments from within your religious Revealed Book - the four Gospels; and refrain adding anything from within yourself that which is not there in the Gospels, since that would prove that the Gospels are man-made and not Revealed.

Jesus neither died of flogging nor of torture on Cross; GodAllahYHWH made good his escape against all odds from dying a cursed death on Cross.Jesus died honourably and naturally later at some point in the history.

Any Chrirstian, please.

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