Paarsurrey says:
There is no evidence based on secular history sources confirming that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross.
Needless to mention that Josepus was not alive in the time of Jesus to qualify for a firsthand testimony; more so, as the whole Christian mythology invented by Paul was based on this single point;unknown to Jesus himself.
The Christians please read the following excerpts on Josephus, the foremost source often quoted by Christians, to prove their point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
Josephus on Jesus
There are two extant references in Josephus on Jesus, the one directly concerning Jesus has come to be known as the Testimonium Flavianum. These passages appear in The Antiquities of the Jews, written in the year 93 by the Jewish historian Josephus. All extant copies of this work, which all derive from Christian sources, even the recently recovered Arabic version, contain the two passages about Jesus. The authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum has been disputed since the 17th century, and by the mid 18th century the consensus view was that it was a forgery. This conclusion was questioned in the 20th century and the intellectual controversy will probably never be resolved.
One of the earliest ecclesiastical authorities to condemn the Testimonium Flavianum as a forgery was Bishop Warburton of Gloucester (circa 1770). He described it as "a rank forgery, and a very stupid one, too." [27] Frank R. Zindler commented that Eusebius simply improved "the germ of the Testimonium (that) had already begun to infect certain Christian-copied versions of Antiquities of the Jews."
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Tacitus (AD 55-120), a renowned historian of ancient Rome wrote around AD 115 that Christ was “executed” by Pilate (Annals 15.44).
The early enemies of Christianity (e.g., Celsus and Lucian), conceded that Jesus was put to death.
There is also first hand testimony to the death of Jesus found in the Gospel accounts.
Jesus testified to His death on multiple occasions. Here are a few examples:
Matthew 16:21
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Matthew 20:17-19
Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!”
Matthew 26:1-2
When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, “As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified.”
Matthew 26:6-12
While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table. When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.” Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial.
Here are some eyewitnesses to the death of Jesus on the cross:
Mary Magdalene
Mary the mother of James and Joseph
Mary the mother of Jesus
The disciple whom Jesus loved (John 19:26)
Here is a list of names of people who participated in the burial of Jesus’ dead body:
Joseph of Arimathea
Nicodemus
Mary Magdalene
Mary the mother of James and Joseph
I’ve provided substantial 1st century testimony to Jesus death on the cross. The Qur’an came hundreds of years after the event; it has no historical support from the 1st century to support its claim and is vague. The Qur’an does not explain who died on the cross, it does not explain whether the disciples of Jesus were deceived, and does not explain why Allah has allowed the world to be deceived (or did Allah deceive the world?) about this for hundreds of years.
Are you willing to hold the swoon theory to the same historical standard? Can you provide secular history before AD 120 that says Jesus didn’t die but swooned on the cross?
I invite you to love Jesus by believing what He taught and believing in His death and resurrection for sinners.
Sincerely,
Aaron
There is acceptance by some modern scholars that PART of Josephus' Testimonium Flavianum is authentic including the following,
“When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross…” (Antiquities 18.3.3)
There are other parts of the Testimonium Flavianum in dispute and should not be accepted as original. However, some scholars accept this part to be genuine.
John P. Meier’s discussion of the Testimonium Flavianum is said by some to be one of the most judicious ever penned,
“He [Meier] carefully applies the historical method to the so-called Testimonium Flavianum in Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 and comes up with a statement about Jesus as a sage and miracle worker who gained a following, was crucified by Pilate and whose following continued on even in the 90s when Josephus wrote” (Meier, Marginal Jew, 1:60–61 in Ben Witherington, The Jesus Quest: The third search for the Jew of Nazareth; 2nd ed., p.200).
Joseph Klausner suggests the following reconstruction to be original to Josephus,
“Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man… For he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles … and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first ceased not [ so to do], … and the race of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct even now.” (Jesus, 55-56).
What secular historical evidence, before AD 115, do you have that Jesus did not die on the cross but only swooned?
I invite you to love Jesus by believing what He taught and believing in His death and resurrection for sinners.
Sincerely,
Aaron
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