If the soldiers were asleep they could be very well asked how they came to know in their sleep that the corpse of Jesus had been stolen away

I wrote today following post to: christchurch@christchurchreformed.com

Hi

I write further to my post dated 9/7/08:

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 Says:

It was the same body, with wounds on it, which had been saved from death; and, as there was still the fear of the Jews, Jesus, making use of all precautions, left the land. All talk of anything contrary to this is absurd — as the one about the Jews having bribed the soldiers in order to make them say that the disciples had stolen the corpse while they (the soldiers) were asleep.

If the soldiers were asleep they could be very well asked how they came to know in their sleep that the corpse of Jesus had been stolen away. From the mere fact of Jesus not being in the tomb, can anybody in reason believe that he had gone up to heaven? May there not be other causes as a result of which tombs might remain empty. At the time of going up to heaven, it was up to Jesus to meet a few hundred Jews, and also Pilate.

Whom was he afraid of in his glorious body. He did not care to furnish his opponents with the slightest proof. On the contrary, he took fright and fled to Galilee. That is why we positively believe that though it is true that he left the tomb, a chamber with an opening, and though it is true that he secretly met the disciples, yet it is not true that he was given any new and glorious body; it was the same body, and the same wounds, and there was the same fear in his heart lest the accursed Jews arrest him again.

Just read attentively Matthew, chapter 28, verses 7 to 10. These verses clearly say that the women who were told by someone that Jesus was alive and was going to Galilee, and who were also told quietly that they should inform the disciples, were no doubt pleased to hear this, but they went with a terrified heart, — they were still afraid lest Jesus might still be caught by some wicked Jew. The ninth verse says, that while these women were on their way to inform the disciples, Jesus met and saluted them. The tenth verse says that Jesus asked them not to be afraid, i.e. of his being caught; he asked them to inform his brethren that they should all go to Galilee22; that they would see him there, i.e., he could not stay there for fear of the enemy.

In short, if Jesus had really come to life after his death and had assumed a glorious body, it was up to him to furnish proof of such life to the Jews. But we know that he did not do this. It is absurd, therefore, to accuse the Jews of trying to render negatory the proof of Jesus’ coming to life again. No, Jesus himself has not given the slightest proof of his restoration to life; rather, by his secret flight, by the fact of his taking food, and sleep, and exhibiting his wounds, he himself proved that he did not die on the Cross.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html



Paarsurrey says:



I thank you for your resposnes/comments.

One should form one’s own unbiased opinion with research and should accept the truth where-ever it comes from.

My Christian friends are welcome for their comments; even if they differ with me.

Regards

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--- On Sun, 9/7/08, White Munara wrote:

From: White Munara

Subject: Why and what for; So many wrappings on Jesus?

To: christchurch@christchurchreformed.com

Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 6:33 AM

Why and what for; So many wrappings on Jesus?



Hi



Kindly let the wrappings of Jesus tell the story if Jesus died a cursed death on Cross or he survived as he had earlier prophesised and he migrated from Jerusalem and went to the East to spread his teachings in the ten tribes of the house of Israel who were settled there.



The question to start with is; why Jesus was wrapped into in the first place? The wrappings speak that the persons who wrapped him were sure that Jesus had not died on the Cross.



A dead body needs no wrappings whatsoever.The body of a dead person is covered with a shroud that is the Jewish, Christian and Muslim tradition I think. The dead body is given a bath or washed and is wrapped into a shroud/s.The final funeral ceremony is held, and it is placed in the grave.



Please quote from some Jewish, Christian and Muslim sources if I am wrong.



1. When and where Jesus was given a bath or his body was washed.



2. Did the disciples ,who had fled away from the scene of crucifixion, were informed of the funeral ceremony? If not, why not?



3. Who lead the funeral prayer?

4. Was funeral ceremony held in Jewish tradition or Christian tradition? Christian tradition was invented later by Paul or his church unauthorized. Jesus had given no such tradition.



If those who were trusted with the body of Jesus did not participate or arrange the above; and we find no such recorded account in the four gospels, it is sure those who looked after his body knew that Jesus was not dead and hence they did not do it.



The injured body always needs wrappings after application of the ointments or medicines in the garb of fragrances.



I think the rest is very clear. Those who wrapped Jesus; they are the ones or their helping friends who are supposed to unwrap him. If they could put him in a tomb and placed a stone on the opining; they could help Jesus to push the stone away, unwrap him and let him go.



This is very reasonable. I think you agree with me.



I love Jesus and Muhammad.



Thanks



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